4. Go for the oil 100% now

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 October, 12, 2013 - 6:25 pm

Dr Jeffrey urges state govt and Sabah MPs to heed Harris’ call to fight for Sabah’s oil ownership

Dr Jeffrey asks a question at the debate.

KOTA KINABALU: Sabah STAR chairman Datuk Dr. Jeffrey Kitingan has called on the State government, Sabah MPs included, to strive to regain Sabah’s oil ownership.
“It is now clear as daylight that it’s the legal duty and moral obligation of the Sabah government and every Sabah MP to take immediate steps and by all available means to regain Sabah’s oil ownership,” he said.
He urged this in response to the explanation by former Chief Minister of Sabah, Tan Sri Harris Mohd Salleh during the public debate with SAPP President Datuk Yong Teck Lee on Friday.
Harris said that he had no choice but to sign the 1976 Oil Agreement with Petronas and agreed to the 5% cash payment for Sabah’s oil because the federal government had stated that Sabah’s oil found off-shore belonged to the federal government and signing and getting 5% of the oil revenue was better than getting nothing at all.
“Harris also stated that it was the federal government who prepared the Oil Agreement and he was under pressure to sign the Oil Agreement, partly due to rescue the Sabah government which was left with RM2 million in its kitty.
“His story confirms and re-affirms the recent revelations by Tan Sri Majid Khan of the “lies” by the federal leaders in the 1970s that oil found off-shore Sabah belonged to the federal government and that it was up to the present-day Sabahans to take the matter to court to determine the truthfulness and legitimacy of the federal statement,” said Dr Jeffrey.
“Harris’ statement was made in the presence of the 300-strong crowd and the team of Special Branch officers who had recorded everything diligently for their Malayan political leaders,” he added.
He dismissed the federal leaders’ assertion that Sabah’s oil found off-shore belonged to the federal government, as false.
To substantiate this, he cited that since 1954 the international boundary of Sabah (North Borneo then) was extended to include the area of the continental shelf which remained unchanged until Malaysia Day on 16.09.1963.
He pointed out that Sabah’s international boundary is acknowledged in Article 1(3) of the Federal Constitution which provides that:-
1. (3)    Subject to Clause (4), the territories of each of the States mentioned in Clause (2) are the territories comprised therein immediately before Malaysia Day.
“This Sabah international boundary is even recognized today in the government official website:http://www.townplanning.sabah.gov.my/iczm/Reports/Coastal.,” he highlighted.
“Pursuant to Section 24 of the Sabah Land Ordinance (Cap. 68), it is also clear as daylight that from December 1930, the oil and gas found on-shore or off-shore of Sabah belonged to Sabah.
“Anyone that does not accept this fact and truth ought to take lessons in the law. Whatever mistakes of the past should be learnt and steps should be taken to rectify the past mistakes” stressed Dr. Jeffrey.
He said this was also what Harris during the debate had unequivocally suggested, that it was up to the Sabah lawmakers to make amends and raise the issue in Parliament to re-claim Sabah’s oil and not behave like past and present lawmakers who would put up both hands to support the federal government.
Harris had also said that he was certain that if the matter was raised and reasonable, the federal government would agree to Sabah’s demands.
Dr Jeffrey noted that Harris’s call was even whole-heartedly supported by his opponent Datuk Yong Teck Lee, who is another former Chief Minister.
In his response, Yong reiterated that now is the most opportune time for the Sabah state government and leaders to reclaim what is rightfully belonged to the state, as the federal government is at its weakest.
Supporting Yong’s statement, Dr Jeffrey stressed that for the future and benefit of each and every Sabahan, it has now become the legal duty and moral obligation of the Sabah government and each and every Sabah MP to take every available step to regain Sabah’s oil and gas ownership.
The Sabah government needs to raise with the federal government the issue of Petronas returning Sabah’s oil and gas ownership and the Sabah MPs need to raise the matter in Parliament.   If they wish to take it further, they should get the Petronas Twin Towers renamed as the Petronas Sabah Ssarawak Twin Towers.
“There is no two ways about it, regain Sabah’s oil or condemn Sabah’s future generations to unwarranted poverty due to the oil revenues being siphoned off to Petronas and the federal government,” concluded Dr. Jeffrey.

3. Could Sabah be kicked out in 1976?

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I am asking now what will happen if Sabah did not sign the Agreement in 1976? Does the oil still belong to Sabah?" asked Dr Jeffrey.

 

"No, you should know that it has been passed by Parliament you lost the five per cent," he said."

Joshua would like to tickle our mind ---

The Oil Agreement was signed soon after the DOUBLE SIX -the tragic air crash where top state leaders perished-  after reported reluctance of Tun M and Tun Fuad to sign the said agreement is indeed cause of concern.

What had been the fate of HMS if not signed?

What had been the fate of Sabah in Malaysia if not signed?  Like Singapore in 1965 - kicked out???

What had been the fate of Tengku Razaleigh if not signed?

What had been the phobia if not signed?

One thing is for sure like the precious and pure coal under the Danum Valley , the oil would still largely be under the sea with the benefits accruing to Sabah rather than 5% only...now our oil resources would be almost nil especially the Block L and M were given away for a song by A Badawi...possibly to pay off his debts to Bank Negara for the USD50 billions of bad loan...gone into some people pocket under Police Report 27..

2. From Daily Express - Kinabalu Today

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On the Oil Agreement, Harris'presented his case by referring to a legal case in Australia called "Seas and Submerged Land Case (1975) 135 CLR 337" which basically ruled that oil found offshore belongs to the Federal Government 

Legally, he said, the Federal Government has rights over off-shore oil and gas and that if Sabah did not sign the agreement at that time, Petronas is not obliged to give the five per cent oil royalty to sabah."

Question:  Did HMS signed the Oil Agreement based on this case?  If not, is it an after thought now?  Who actually advise HMS to sign the Oil Agreement for 5% royalty?  Why Pairin witness the said signature of HMS?  What was hanging over their heads so soon after the DOUBLE SIX? What say Tengku Raz now when he was saying a review on Malaysia Agreement in 1963 when Malaysia is a gone defunct nation since 1965 when Singapore was kicked out?  Joshua

 

 

Harris and Yong spar on various Sabah issues

Published on Saturday, 12 October 2013 02:09

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The highly anticipated debate between two former Chief Ministers - Tan Sri Harris Salleh, and Datuk Yong Teck Lee - saw both taking a firm stand on the issues affecting Sabah but in the end turn out to be more of a friendly affair. 

Instead, it was the one-hour question and answer session that heated up the atmosphere as members of the audience, including Datuk Dr Jeffrey Kitingan and a former ISA detainee, Darshan Singh, shot questions at Harris about the 20-Points, Malaysia Agreement,'1976 Oil Agreement and handing over of Labuan to the Federal Government.

Attended by 237 people, the debate at the Ssbah Golf and Country Club also saw Harris urging those having strong feelings that the Federal Government had cheated Sabah to work hard in the next General Election in order to take over Parliament and change the Federal Government.

"Change Malaysia to Banana Republic and Datuk Yong become the President and I'll be the Speaker," said Harris.

On the Oil Agreement, Harris'presented his case by referring to a legal case in Australia called "Seas and Submerged Land Case (1975) 135 CLR 337" which basically ruled that oil found offshore belongs to the Federal Government 

Legally, he said, the Federal Government has rights over off-shore oil and gas and that if Sabah did not sign the agreement at that time, Petronas is not obliged to give the five per cent oil royalty to sabah.

In fact, he said, Sabah did not lose 95 per cent of its oil income but gained five per cent (because the oil belongs to the Federal Government).

Furthermore, the Petroleum Development Act had already been approved by Parliament, which he reiterated is most supreme in Malaysia, as the country practised a constitutional monarchy system.

On the istana power grab incident after the 1985 State Election, Harris believed that the action by late Usno President Tun Mustapha Harun at that point in time "at being betrayed (by Parti Bersatu Sabah) and deprived of an opportunity to form a multi-racial or coalition government was justified."

As for the handing over of Labuan to the Federal Government, Harris admitted that it was among the reasons for the downfall of his Berjaya government but denied that it was done without approval from the State Legislative Assembly.

This was agreed by Yong who pointed out that in March 1994 the State Assembly passed the enactment to redraw the boundary of sabah by excluding Labuan.

Harris said he was surprised at Darshan Singh's claim that he was arrested under ISA for his objection to surrendering of Labuan to the Federal Government.

i'Show m" the document that you were arrested for this reason. This is very Serious and as far as I know nobody have been arrested for objecting,l'he said.

However, Harris denied there was compensation paid by Kuala Lumpur to the State Government for surrendering Labuan.

" Perhaps I should have handed Labuan to Brunei-because (then Prime Minister) Mahathir would have agreed," he said.

He said Labuan was surrendered to the Federal Government because it was not making that much income for the State with about RM20 million annually.

Nonetheless, he said he would not be able to discuss more on the issue fearing it would be subjudice as he had been sued by a "man from Papar" over the matter and hearing had been set for next April.

Harris was also in an argument when Dr Jeffrey, who was seated in the first row, disagreed with his view on the oil agreement. - "I am the one you haven't answered '.

I am asking now what will happen if Sabah did not sign the Agreement in 1976? Does the oil still belong to Sabah?" asked Dr Jeffrey.

"No, you should know that it has been passed by Parliament you lost the five per cent," he said.

Moderator Tan Sri Simon Sipaun was quick to interject asking no more questions and response from Dr Jeffrey because it is not a two-man show.

For Yong, he responded to Harris' query about his role in the Warisan Harta purchase of NBT shares saying that he challenged the present State Government to publish a White Paper in order to clear the air.

Yong said that even if MT shares were to drop to zero, Warisan Harta still would not have lost because there was the Sugar Bun shares plus RM50 million cash paid in the shareswap deal.

As for the Saham Amanah Sabah (SAS) price drop Yong said although he was the Chief Minister, he was never involved in the management of the unit trust fund.

"That one I cannot answer because even though I was the Chief Minister I didn't get involved in the management, which is governed by the Securities Commission," he said.

"If you want to know, we must have a White Paper on this," he said, adding that Sabah Progressive Party (SAPP) elected representatives, namely Melanie Chia and Datuk Liew Teck Chan had moved a motion in the State Assembly on this before but this was rejected by the State Government.

" Perhaps the State Government, is afraid skeletons will be falling out of the cupboard if a White Paper is published," said Yong.

The debate was adjourned at 10pm.

Extracted from DailyExpress

1. Why RM50 entrance fee?

Yes- thank you Frankie Yapp of Labuan, my friend for the 39 photos uploaded in facebook - Joshua

I am waiting for the photo of the notice of the entrance fee of RM50 for the charity - Joshua(see below)

Questions/comments by Joshua

I am going to reflect on the following:-
1.  Was it a public function of public interest?
2.   Who was the organiser and can simply fix public collection without Police Permit?
3.  Where would the money go to when SGCC also expected to charge RM10 for the coffee / tea and sandwiches ?
4.  How to go without dinner when registration starts at 5.30pm and actually event/debate starts at 7pm and possibly may end sometime at 10pm?
5.  We would expect the event starts at 6pm and likely finish before 8.30pm when dinner can still be OK.
6.  The name of the charity is not announced.
7.  Can anyone be a body of Charity to receive the fund so raised?
8.  From the mouth of the organiser when
asked at the staircase, it was confirmed that collection of entrance fee would take place and at 5.20pm the organiser said "we have not yet collected any money" which in a way confirmed the intention not to be denied later.
9.  Assuming 300 persons to turn up and at RM50 and RM10 per person, the amount could come up to RM18,000 an indeed a big sum for little effort and possibly an illegal activity collecting money from the public.
10.  It would have been different if there is accountability and transparency for this money /EF if a registered NGO organised the event.
11.  Why no NGO wanted to do it?
12.  What would happen after collection that one or two parties did not turn up or stay long enough in the debate, would the money be refunded if indeed the EF was collected?
13.  Who are the losers now - SGCC, YTL, HS, TSSS, and the general public?
14.  If the debate is aborted, would a better one be organised in the near future for the public interest involved?
15.  Would the Police now take appropriate action at least for educational purpose?   
16.  Those who turned up to see the show are very disappointed when TWO exCMs are involved, and so any compensation for the effort?
17.  If a debate is not possible, make it a PUBLIC forum as it was promised at the function in conjunction with the Golden jubilee on the Memory of Malaysia by leaders in the 1960s including Peter Lo, Gani Gilong, Harris Salleh, Thomas Jayasuriya (absent) and Majid Khan to sort out various pressing issues then and now.  Invite more speakers and panellists.      

theborneopost.comhttp://www.theborneopost.com/2013/10/11/all-set-for-yong-harris-debate-2/

All set for Yong-Harris debate – BorneoPost Online | Borneo , Malaysia, Sarawak Daily News

Posted on October 11, 2013, Friday

KOTA KINABALU: The stage is all set for the much anticipated debate between two former chief ministers, Datuk Yong Teck Lee and Tan Sri Harris Salleh, today.
Yesterday, Yong went to the Sabah Golf and Country Club (SGCC) here yesterday to check the place for the debate.
Harris’ last minute change of date, time and place and change of organiser and moderator for the debate has not deterred Yong, who will be there since the debate is of public interest.
According to the club’s spokeman, Gary Tan, the management only charges RM10 per head which includes coffee or tea and sandwiches. There are 300 seats available to the public for the debate.
Tan confirmed to Yong that the club is not responsible for the RM50 collection imposed by Harris and had nothing to do with the club or management.
Yong had argued that since the public debate is to raise awareness, it should not be used to raise funds by the organiser and should be free.
The debate issues are on 20 points/Malaysia Agreement, 1976 Oil Agreement, NBT-SAS Shares, Federalisation of Labuan, 1985 Istana power grab, 1986 riots leading to the Karamunsing fire and rampant issuance of ICs.


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theborneopost.comhttp://www.theborneopost.com/2013/10/10/changes-like-ambush-to-kill-off-debate-yong/

Changes like ambush to kill off debate – Yong

Yong

KOTA KINABALU: Datuk Yong Teck Lee has accepted the new date, time, place, organizer and moderator for the debate picked by Tan Sri Harris Salleh.
Harris changed the time and venue of the debate with Yong to October 11 at the Sabah Golf and Country Club as the Sabah Society had declined to sponsor and organise it.
Yong said the last minute, unilateral change of date, time and place and change of organizer and moderator is like an ambush to kill off the debate even before it started.
“But in the interest of public awareness and Sabah’s future, I hereby accept the changes,” he said in a statement yesterday.
Harris, who is a former chief minister, said in a statement on Tuesday that he had tried to contact and send message via SMS to Yong about the changes but there was no response.
He said the moderator is Tan Sri Simon Sipaun, and an entrance fee of RM50 will be charged for the debate beginning at 5.30pm.
Yong, who is a also former chief minister and president of Sabah Progressive Party, said that he did not receive any SMS from Harris.
He said the public debate should be free of charge since it is “to raise awareness, not to raise funds.
“Everybody is welcome to attend. Seats should be reserved for senior citizens and reporters from the media,” he said.
On September 19, Harris had announced the debate would be held on October 12 at Hyatt Hotel ballroom and the moderator was Dr Heng Aik Cheng.
The debate issues are on the 20 points/Malaysia Agreement, 1976 Oil Agreement, NBT-SAS Shares, Federalisation of Labuan, 1985 Istana power grab, 1986 riots leading to the Karamunsing fire and rampant issuance of ICs.

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